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If an arugah has a border of one tephach high, then one can plant 13 species.
 
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In re the last picture with disputing the calculation of the Rambam from a friend in Texas
The area of the black square is (1.5+1)^2 = 6.25
Each of the red lines is sqrt(1.5^2+1^2), which is a bit over 1.8.
The total area of "diamond 2" is therefore 1.5^2+1^2 = 3.25. It is a square that is angled, not what we typically call a diamond.
This area is composed of two types of area:
A. 4 1.0x1.5 triangles, each 0.75 in size. The total area of these triangles is 3, as the diamond that Rambam discussed.
B. A 0.5x0.5 square, 0.25 in size.
So, 2x3 = 6. If you break it into eight triangles of 1.5x1 and rotate two of them, you get a 2.5x2.5 = 6.25 square composed of the original eight triangles plus a 0.5x0.5 square in the middle.
Each diamond, composed of only four triangles, is still 3 in size, just like the Rambam said.
 
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In re the last picture with disputing the calculation of the Rambam from a friend in Texas
The area of the black square is (1.5+1)^2 = 6.25
Each of the red lines is sqrt(1.5^2+1^2), which is a bit over 1.8.
The total area of "diamond 2" is therefore 1.5^2+1^2 = 3.25. It is a square that is angled, not what we typically call a diamond.
This area is composed of two types of area:
A. 4 1.0x1.5 triangles, each 0.75 in size. The total area of these triangles is 3, as the diamond that Rambam discussed.
B. A 0.5x0.5 square, 0.25 in size.
So, 2x3 = 6. If you break it into eight triangles of 1.5x1 and rotate two of them, you get a 2.5x2.5 = 6.25 square composed of the original eight triangles plus a 0.5x0.5 square in the middle.
Each diamond, composed of only four triangles, is still 3 in size, just like the Rambam said.


I gather therefore the anshei shem tov isn't trying to show that the Rambam is wrong, he is criticising a statement in tosphot yom tom. He is actually explaining how the Rambam gets 1.8 from the square root of 3.25.

A.S.
 
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If an arugah has a border of one tephach high, then one can plant 13 species.

Please let know which mishna you are explaining.I'm now learning daf yomi( bit behind) where ther is a sugia of arugah .If you have a chance to look in the Ritva (Mosad HaRav Kook) at the end of his piece on the mishna ,please explain me what he means with "shtei tephachim chamisha shvi'i chomesh" does he mean 2 1/7? I'd appreciate your help
 
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The border of one tepach high is discussed in the Yerushalmi Killaim. The mishneh begins at 3:1. Page numbers do not help as the newer yerushalmi's have repaginated.
The same mishneh appears in Shabat פד . However in the Babli there is no discussion on a gevul one tepach high. In the Babli the givul is a one tepach flat area around the givul.

The only scheme with sevenths is that of Rabbainu Shimshon. I will check the Ritva when I get home.

Aryeh Shore
 
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The ritva wants to say that if a diagonal has 3 units.
1. We know that the diagonal of a triangle or square is 1 and 2/5 time the number (1.4 or sqrt 2)
2. therefore the side of the square must be 3 divided by 1 and 2/5 which is 7/5.
3. Three diviided by seven fifth is 2 and 1/7.
4. This is probably the reason for the picture for Rashi (Rashi 2) in the Bartinura on Shabbat which differs from the one printed in the Vilna Shas. In the first picture the corner is 1 tephach square while in the second it is a 2.14 tephach square.

Aryeh Shore
 
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