To my knowledge there is no such discussion

going back to the earlier disscusion about hair covering, why dont unmarried women cover thier hair?
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Because the source in the Torah from which we learn the prohibition only talks about married women.

if the hair of a woman is considered to be nakedness, as it says in the talmud, why the differentiation between married and unmarried?

It is only considered nakedness in regard to a married woman because her hair is normally covered. However the hair of an unmarried woman is normally uncovered and people are accustomed to seeing it, therefore it is not considered "nakedness"

This sounds all to confusing to me. your saying that women must cover their hair because it is considered "nakedness". however uncovered hair is only considered a nakedness on married women, becuase they ussually cover their hair. so must the hair of a married women be covered because it is a "nakedness" OR is the hair of married women a "nakedness" because it is ussually covered?
im just not getting it?

ussually=usually

Your second assumption was correct. Since married women are required by the Torah to keep their hair covered, that makes their hair considered "nakedness"

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"That" is referring to the Torah requirement.
The assumption put forth by dr that the hair of a married woman must be covered because it is nakedness was said by Rabbi Kacev to be the wrong assumption.

Can it be said that intrinsically the hair of a (married) woman does not constitute nakedness were it not for the passuk from the Torah regarding Sotah?

You could probably say that

So if intrinsically the hair of a woman does not constitute nakedness, what would be the reason for the torah to require its covering? Why would hair be different from the face?

The Torah does not give a reason. The Torah only requires the covering of the hair,not the face.

Rabbi Kacev- Are you saying that there is no reason why the Torah requires women to cover their hair?

Of course there must be a reason, however the Torah does not give it.

Question: can a woman who does not believe in torah laws (such as the obligation to cover one's hair) be trusted for kashrus?

Of course not. if he doesn't believe in torah's law, how can you trust him for torah laws, it's not sacred to him

if the assumtion of Rabbi Kacev is correct, ie. that a womens hair must be covered for reasons other than "nakedness", they why is the law of hair covering a modesty law, shouldent it be a law unto itself? ie. The torah requiered a women to cover her hair, just like the torah commanded us to keep kosher. what has hair covering got to do with "modesty".
Also, i would humbly suggest that for a women to cover her hair would quite plainly fall under the catagoery of modesty!

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Originally posted by Rav Chaim:
Of course not. if he doesn't believe in torah's law, how can you trust him for torah laws, it's not sacred to him

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Even if a woman is shomeret shabbat, if she does not cover her hair, she can not be trusted for kashrus?

As I mentioned before, the prohibition of a woman covering her hair is a Torah prohibition.
However once women do go around with thier hair covered,it now also becomes a modesty issue for a married woman not to cover her hair.

To Mike:
There is a difference why she doesn't cover her hair. If it's from ignorence, that's not a problem. Even if it's "too hard for her" this would be under the heading of being unobservant in one area can they be believed in a different area.See YD 119 for this in detail.
But your question was that she doesn't "believe" in the Mitzvah. If she doesn't believe any Mitzvah, then she is an Apikores, thus can't be trusted for Kashrus.