Where does Judasim place Pshychology? I'm just curious, caus i just found out Freud was a Cocain addict and Pshychology lauds him as one of their founding members...

And your source for that he was a cocaine addict?

a google shows some references, the quality of which of course is debatable. I have not read of there being anything in the torah where G-d says 'and establish a way of looking at life, different from the torah, and you shall call it psychology'

http://www.freudfile.org/cocaine.html

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/cu/CU35.html

http://www.amazon.com/Freud-vs-God-Dan-Blazer/dp/0830815473

p.s. wern't alot of advancements in psychology based on experiements conducted during WW11 and for that reason should psychology be looked upon with caution? or is that medical psychiatry?

just wondering...would you defend your life over torah, or would you defend your life over psychology?

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Originally posted by Katja:
just wondering...would you defend your life over torah, or would you defend your life over psychology?

Many of Freud's ideas on psychology were derived either directly, or indirectly (with his own opinionated insights) from the Gemora. Dr. Freud was a member of the haskalah movement, and if you will look at Tractate Berachot around daf nun-hei thru nun-zayin (I am sure there is alot on nun-vav might even go to past those pages)... you will notice that the Gemora is discussing dreams and their meanings, and if you read Freud, you will see that many of his so-called "brillante theories" are devired not from "brainey insight" yet from reading the Gemora.
So much for Freud, and so much for psyche! Read Mishle, it is full of psychological house cleaning wisdom... Shabbat Shalom!

B"H

Although I haven't read any of Freud's writings, psychology (or the study of human nature) was well-known by the Sages. They looked into the deep, underlying motives in man, from whence they came to make many enactments for the purpose of "preventive measures" - such as prohibiting a single male from being left alone with a woman, etc.

David

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Originally posted by Anonymous Member:
Where does Judasim place Psychology? I'm just curious because I just found out [that] Freud was a Cocain addict and Psychology lauds him as one of their founding members...

Dear "Anonymous,"

I'm just curious: Would you have thought any different of the person had he written many "chiddushei Torah," but was addicted to Coca-Cola? I think I was told once that the original Coca-Cola carried an extract taken from the Coca (cocaine) plant which grows in South-America.

P.S. - If you'd like, you could answer me in a Private Message, and I will not disclose your true identity to anyone.

David

david and anonymous both have really interesting points to make, on the one hand you have a man who experiemented with cocain and developed several man made theories, based on his assumptions, while on the other hand there is the torah, handed down my G-d...hmhmhmmm

...is there really a contest?

oops, that was suppose to be 'handed down by G-d'...

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Originally posted by Yehonaton:

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Originally posted by Katja:
just wondering...would you defend your life over torah, or would you defend your life over psychology?

Many of Freud's ideas on psychology were derived either directly, or indirectly (with his own opinionated insights) from the Gemora. Dr. Freud was a member of the haskalah movement, and if you will look at Tractate Berachot around daf nun-hei thru nun-zayin (I am sure there is alot on nun-vav might even go to past those pages)... you will notice that the Gemora is discussing dreams and their meanings, and if you read Freud, you will see that many of his so-called "brillante theories" are devired not from "brainey insight" yet from reading the Gemora.
So much for Freud, and so much for psyche! Read Mishle, it is full of psychological house cleaning wisdom... Shabbat Shalom!

I must admit, i did not know that frued based some of his insites into dream theory on the gemora, that is an interesting point

i still query whether freud should be placed in the same category as the sages and his theories take precedence over torah

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I must admit, i did not know that frued based some of his insites into dream theory on the gemora, that is an interesting point

i still query whether freud should be placed in the same category as the sages and his theories take precedence over torah[/QUOTE]

Insights that enable us to understand Torah, should not be considered as "taking precedence"... If a theory is based upon Torah, then its application will illuminate Torah and will give people a reason to study and live Torah. The problem with many "theories of Psych" and other ummadah is that it never abides by or in Torah. As with Freud, he never gave credit to Torah for "his ideas" even though much of what he propossed as "new theories" were based on the Gemora written nearly two millenia before he began being such "a genius" - I don't think he would have made such a splash if he would have said "by the way, some of my ideas are sourced from the Talmud and the Holy Torah..." he would have been laughed off the university speaking tours... yet even so, he never once makes a positive comment about Torah, yet lumps it into his "causes for sexual repression" and yet he fails to mention the concept of modesty as a necessity against social deviant behavior. Therefore how can you place his ideas even in equal standing with Torah. It would be like saying Kinsey's work is the standard for all sexuality when in fact what Kinsey did was simply uncover and demonstrate the wide range of dynamic situations that the human experience is capable of... that does not mean that all those activities which he reported upon are needed, desired, or even healthy. It just means that they are possible, and knowing that makes it both better (because in a marriage there should be true intimacy and trust) and more difficult (the yetzer hara has more fuel to deceive and pervert what is 'healthy'...)
shavua tov.
shavua tov.

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Originally posted by David Ben-Abraham:

I think I was told once that the original Coca-Cola carried an extract taken from the Coca (cocaine) plant which grows in South-America.

I've heard, but forget where, that, there is a bit of alcohol in Coca-Cola which helps in answering the addiction issue that people have with it. If true, then it is less than 2% which I think is the amount that doesn't have to be mentioned on the list of ingredients by law. [If this is incorrect, I'd like to know too, so please correct if this information is wrong.]

this is not the same plant that chocolate is made from? cocoa/copha?