The Mishna Brurah in 85:10
says (and is paraphrased by Rav Chaim )

Even in other languages (translations of "names that cannot be erased") like "G-ut" in German or "B-uga" in Polish and Russian, though these names don't have Kedusha in the letters that they're written in and is permitted to erase them. Still, it's disrespectful to pronounce it in a place that is "dirty." This is comparable to the word "Shalom" etc. and especially these names that, in certain ares, they have the laws of their counterparts in Hebrew. Like in terms of swearing, or mentioning it in vein and cursing with Hashem's name.

As a journalist I must spell out the Name and it must be capitalized if referring to a supreme religious deity. However, if used to say "the Egyptians had many gods" or used to describe an obsession, as "Food became a god to him," it is not capitalized, according to the Associated Press Stylebook.

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Originally posted by Rabbi Y. Kacev:
There was nothing in your quotes that indicated in any way that this definition of kinui is incorrect.

But, of course, they are a very clear indication that your speculation is incorrect. Had they understood "kinui" the way you do they would not have permitted a hyphenated Name in a foreign language.

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Quoting psakim without understanding them is not really meaningful.

I think the quotes I brought are fully understood. However intellectual speculation without any backing from reliable poskim is very irresponsible. Throwing out names without giving specific locations is intellectually dishonest, because no one can check up if you are quoting accurately.

Actually, I found the Minchas Yitzchok you referred to. He is quoting the Avnei Nezer who writes that a hyphenated name has Kedusha in Lashon HaKodesh but not in a foreign language. So he is actually against you, not for you. You should look up seforim before you quote them.

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Secondly your inability to refute my logic,may indicate your psakim were taken out of context or misunderstood.

But I did refute your logic. It is based on a faulty assumption.

Anyways, why don't you look them up yourself. The Avnei Nezer in YD 365 and the Achiezer is 3:32

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Originally posted by Mike47:
As a journalist I must spell out the Name and it must be capitalized if referring to a supreme religious deity. However, if used to say "the Egyptians had many gods" or used to describe an obsession, as "Food became a god to him," it is not capitalized, according to the Associated Press Stylebook.

Welcome to the Global Yeshiva, Mike.
Seemingly this could put you in a problematic situation. The name of Hashem when spelled out may not be disgraced (for example taken into the bathroom) or erased (according to Reb Moshe Feinstein even when written in English). The Gemora interprets the verse "And in front of the blind you shall not place a stumbling block" as forbidding creating a situation where another person is likely to transgress the halacha. Therefore, should you write the name of Hashem in an article, it would appear to create a problem of creating a stumbling block.
However, Reb Moshe writes in YD 1:172 that since the workers operating the printing machinery and doing the actual printing are not at all aware of what words they are printing, the Name printed in such a manner has no holiness. Therefore, Reb Moshe writes that he personally has no hesitation throwing out newspapers. According to this there would be no problem on your part submitting an article containing Hashem's name.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rabbi Peretz Moncharsh
Actually, I found the Minchas Yitzchok you referred to. He is quoting the Avnei Nezer who writes that a hyphenated name has Kedusha in Lashon HaKodesh but not in a foreign language. So he is actually against you, not for you. You should look up seforim before you quote them
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And perhaps you should carefully read my posts before you malign them. I Did NOT say that those poskim back up what I was saying. I said that one should look at those sources if one was interested in seeing further discussion on this issue.
The source I SAID backed my position which you keep ignoring is the TASHBATZ.

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However intellectual speculation without any backing from reliable poskim is very irresponsible.
The TASHBATZ IS not reliable?

B"H

Rabbi Kacev,

I will have to admit that you are right, and that according to the Mishnah Berura, section # 85, only partial sanctity is given to G-d's substitute names as they are written in foreign languages (Gott, etc.). He says, plainly, that they can be erased, but that speaking such words in unclean places should be avoided.

David

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Originally posted by Rabbi Y. Kacev:
The TASHBATZ IS not reliable?

Why don't you tell us where this Tashbatz supposedly is written?

And while the Tashbatz is a reliable Rishon, but if the poskim don't accept his position it is not halacha

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This is simple logic. The name God has no intrisic kedusha--it is just a kinui-a word with which people refer to God. Therefore G-d is also A word with which people refer to God and there is no logical reason to differentiate between them.
One can check into the writings of Rav Moshe Feinstein,the Minchas Yitzchok, and the Tzfnos Poneach for further elaboration on this subject.

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Originally posted by Rabbi Y. Kacev:
And perhaps you should carefully read my posts before you malign them. I Did NOT say that those poskim back up what I was saying. I said that one should look at those sources if one was interested in seeing further discussion on this issue.
The source I SAID backed my position which you keep ignoring is the TASHBATZ.

I think that the implication that these poskim supported you was very clear.

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Originally posted by Gila:
Should one write G-d's name with an hyphen? Why is it that some orthodox books write it out?

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So why do people write it with a hyphen?

In conclusion, it seems that the answer to the original question is that since R Elyashiv, the Achiezer, Avnei Nezer and Minchas Yitzchok all pasken that Hashem's name in English may not be disgraced when written completely but may be when written with a hyphen, the publishers do not want to risk causing disgrace of Hashem's name.

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In conclusion, it seems that the answer to the original question is that since R Elyashiv, the Achiezer, Avnei Nezer and Minchas Yitzchok all pasken that Hashem's name in English may not be disgraced when written completely but may be when written with a hyphen, the publishers do not want to risk causing disgrace of Hashem's name.QUOTE

However as I have pointed out there is really no halachik difference between the cases of with a hyphen and without a hyphen and if one is choshesh for these opinions it cannot be written with a hyphen either.

Can you bring an exact and accurate source for such a bold statement???

I have already done it more than once, just scroll back

You mentioned the Tashbatz, but gave no specific location that we can verify the accuracy of the source.
It seems to me that the publishers are very justified in relying on R Elyashiv, the Achiezer, Avnei Nezer and Minchas Yitzchok.

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It seems to me that the publishers are very justified in relying on R Elyashiv, the Achiezer, Avnei Nezer and Minchas Yitzchok.

We have seen nothing in those seforim to indicate they argue with my premise.

What do you mean???
They all say that G-d when written with a hyphen has no sanctity and may be taken into the bathroom (for example). They also say that this is not true of Hashem's name when written out fully in English.
This is in direct contradiction to what you wrote, because a kinui may not be taken into the bathroom.

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Writing the name of God in other languages are known as "kinuyyim" (names by which God is reffered to). Therefore there is no distinction between writing it with a hyphen or not,they are both "kinuyyim".

So why do people write it with a hyphen?

I guess they assume it will even remove its status as a "kinui" but it does not.

Also, I'm still waiting to hear where the elusive Tashbatz is located.

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What do you mean???


They all say that G-d when written with a hyphen has no sanctity and may be taken into the bathroom (for example). They also say that this is not true of Hashem's name when written out fully in English QUOTE

We have seen no proof that he said that.

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You still haven't found the Tashbatz who you claim is your only source. And what about the "writings of Rav Moshe Feinstein,the Minchas Yitzchok, and the Tzfnos Poneach" which you later admitted don't support your position.
I already told you that the Avnei Nezer is in YD 365 and the Achiezer is 3:32. Why don't you look them up rather than making false accusations.

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here is the quote from the Achiezer.

ועל כן אם כי הי' נכון לכתחלה לשנות ולהביא מלה אחרת כמו דער עוויגער שעפער או לעשות כמו שנהוג אצלנו לעשות קו מפריד בין אות ג' ואות ט' או בכל אופן שימצאו עצה לתקן להוציא מידי חשש עוררים