Lila Tov all. I just returned from a chavrusa in Mishnah Berurah and we are stuck on a point. Section 46 of the Shulchan Aruch and MB paragraph 9 discuss the requirement to say the blessings on Torah before reading scriptural verses. If one davens using the Artscroll siddur, one reads the 4 paragraphs contained in the Tefillin (i.e. Torah) prior to making the blessings on the Torah. All comments welcomed. Thanks,

Stephen

The MB is correct. If it bothers you, daven nusach sephard which places the brachat hatorah before any scripture. Why askenazic sidurim have it in the wrong place, probably some printer added the paragraph in his siddur and wasn't paying attention. I was thinking that maybe the paragraph was usually said before sunrise, but one would say the blessing anytime he woke up after mid-night.

Aryeh Shore

Thank you for the comments. I daven Nusach Arizal which puts the blessings on the Torah right after the morning blessings and before the blessings on tzitzis. But my Chavrusa and I are really trying to go deep with the MB. We both jumped on the fact that the siddur had the order it does. So many details, so little time, but such time well spent and rewarding.

. "I was thinking that maybe the paragraph was usually said before sunrise, but one would say the blessing anytime he woke up after mid-night."
I think mid-night is only for the other morning brachos. Birchas hatorah, since sleeping at night is a Hefsek, even if you wake in the beggining of the night you make another Bracha, as the Mishna Brurah writes in 47:28. See SA Seif 11 and MB there that there are those that hold even sleeping during the day on your bed would be a Hefsek to make another Bracha.

Stephen, keep up the good work, having a MB Seder is a very worthwhile venture and it gives you amazing amount of Torah knowledge.

My Chavrusa asked a rabbi about this issue and received the response that there is a machlokes that the reading of the scripture for purposes of putting on Tefillin was davening and not "Torah Study". I spoke with a rabbi in Lakewood who felt that there was no question but to read the bracha first. Given my relative newness to pursuing the deeper details, I still find it odd even that we have come to a Machlokes.

At the end of simin 46, the SA brings a MAchlokas if you need to say BH before saying P'sukim in Davening. See MB 28 that the Rama's Minhag in his day was to say BH beforehand.

I think in our case, everyone would agree you'd need to make a BH beforehand. Since you're not saying it to ask something from Hashem (as if you would say Psalms.) but rather just to read the Torah of the Parshiyos of T'fillin while wearing them, so to everyone it would constitute learning Torah.

The saying of the pesukim with the tephillin is a recent minhag from after the time of the SA. It appears to me, the printers didn't know what to do with it. On one hand, it should be after the blessing for the torah. On the other hand the printers didn't want to upset the traditional form of the siddur for a new minhag.

Aryeh Shore

if i correctly understand you are talking about when one recite Ex13:1-10 and ex 13:11-16. which "vhayah" and "Vydber"

in which cases you are studying torah in a prayer form just as one does when one prays at shul in hte evening the shema.

it is to this effect artscroll mention this "..two paggages given below, are recited either after putting on the tefillin, or before removing them."

sorry about that. as i was saying one should recite it after the morning blessing because one is reciting torah to the same degree as one recite torah in the evening when they say the shema at shul. (for this reason the artscroll makes mention of those who would recite this part when they take off their tefflin as oppose to putting it on)

in fact in my siddur compose by The Rav right after the morning blessings i would recite the blessing over the torah.

Greetings,

I am travelling and unable to pull out my Artscroll to check the notes. My siddur has Birchas Torah right after the mrnin blessings. Mr. Shore, when did the minhag start to say the pesukim? Can anybody advise as to why they were put into the davening if it is that recent?

Gut Shabbos.

Stephen

I am not aware of why or when for this ruling nor the reasoning behind it. At best from what i can find is that it is in place for those who accoustom themsleves to put on the tefflin of Rabbinu Tam right after the Tefflin of Rashi in the morning.

in the few siddurim i have scan it is not in place which leads me to belive that is why it is not mention in Shulchan Aruch HaRav for it wasn't somthing everyone did which was to put on the second pair of Tefflin.

though a source for reciting it can be found in Mishnah Berurah Laws of Tefflin 25:5

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Originally posted by Stephen Baker:
Greetings,

I am travelling and unable to pull out my Artscroll to check the notes. My siddur has Birchas Torah right after the mrnin blessings. Mr. Shore, when did the minhag start to say the pesukim? Can anybody advise as to why they were put into the davening if it is that recent?

Gut Shabbos.

Stephen

Dear Stephen,

If you want to be formal, it is Dr. Shore.
The earliest reference I can find is the Siddur of Yaakov Emdem (18th century)who brings it as a minhag from his father the gaon (chacham zvi).

Aryeh Shore